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Hella Good · Nov 03, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Everous

Don't argue about it, it works, he's done it, he's won ( and held ) HoH with it too.

I'm sorry, I couldn't help it, had to laugh in here. Would be nice if you could combo Martyr with Plague Signet I've always though

Shadowspawn X · Nov 03, 2005, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I'm new to PvP so I just go with any pug who will have me. My favorite thing to run is ranger spike or trapper. I have been noticing a lot of "earth spikers" groups I think this might be FoTM now. They all use obsidan flame ftw, but it seems to be still developing, I have never lost to them, but when the ele's get the kinks ironed out. I think it will rule.

romO · Nov 03, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by SaintGreg

America almost never has favor anymore because too many noob americans are using IWAY, which of course will never ever win hoh...

thats not the reason. even if newbs were running something else, they would still lose. winning hall is up to the good players. and they arent running newb builds like iway or ranger spike anyway.

Hannibel · Nov 03, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

i dunno, i've seen more minion factory builds in tombs then i have before, it seems like that that is the new fotm for the newbies

glenn_rolfe · Nov 04, 2005, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Yeah I played minnion the other day and we won 5 straight which is as far as I've ever been in minnion factory before.
Luckily we skipped relic runs.
It's just purely a fun build to play. I'd love to do the minnion build on an alter holding map where we had about 7 minutes to make minnions, oh that'd be sweet.

dansamy · Nov 04, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Also EoE bombing is still very popular. My favorite version is a "balanced" looking build with a R/Mo and everyone else being */N with BiP for the elite.

Also our latest IWAY mod, which I am enjoying immensely, 4 IWAYs, 1 Trapper, 1 Orders/Heal, 1 Tainted/Nova/Corpse/Maelstrom, 1 Putrid/Nova/Prot. With both N/Mo carrying monk skills, we can keep the hero alive longer and have greater success on those damn altar maps.

Stayfrosty · Nov 04, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

yep, I ran a minion build and made it to hoh, they work quite well, so far the only big weakness ive found them to have is Eoe, you really gotta hunt that spirit down if you see it

scatman · Nov 04, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Minion factory looks fun, but really, its a joke.

Find the minion master and kill him . . . that is all you have to do.

Guizzy · Nov 04, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Indeed. Or better still; my Water Ele can kill single-handedly all the minions at the start of the game thanks to the wonderful Deep Freeze skill. Large AoE, slowing effect, good damage (though large cost)... They're so slow and crippled after a single cast of it; it's not even funny to finish the whole group.

Spura · Nov 04, 2005, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by rii

There arent any clear fotms at the moment, which is kudos to anet for achieving a reasonable balance (no doubt shattered by the expansion

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Yea real balance. I can't get a group as a necro at all. I refuse to play Orders necro or Tainted Necro for IWAY groups. This results in 0 invites. Real RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing balance. Oh anet can I play Orders necro please? Let me sit there for 5 minutes and press 3 buttons! And that's the only invite you'll ever get with a necro. And as we know IWAY teams are dumbs as anyone with life bonds and a few traps totally owns one. So if you are necro and you play with pugs, you are pretty much limited to playing 2 types of character on 1 type of team. God forbid I bring Martyr to counter all trap/ViM teams or NR or Ignorance to counter Life Bonders. "OMG U DUNT HAVE VAMPIRE ORDERZ NOOB"

And if I say "Spike assist necro/healing reduction lfg" everyone just ignores me.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO that kind of balance.

unienaule · Nov 04, 2005, 11:33 PM // 23:33

I've gained some fame recently in balanced teams, some of them with necros. Nowhere close to HoH holding, but still somewhat effective.

smurfhunter · Nov 05, 2005, 01:22 AM // 01:22

for some odd reason when i say "distract necro lfg" no one replies.

close minded nitwits >.<

Spura · Nov 05, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

I just saw you in int district. Yea very funny. Point still stands. When playing with pugs necromancer profession is locked down into 2 templates.

Ollj · Nov 05, 2005, 04:31 AM // 04:31

all classes are split into 2 templates.

smurfhunter · Nov 05, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48

yea, warriors are either iways or paladins.

rii · Nov 05, 2005, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Spura

Yea real balance. I can't get a group as a necro at all. I refuse to play Orders necro or Tainted Necro for IWAY groups. This results in 0 invites. Real RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing balance. Oh anet can I play Orders necro please? Let me sit there for 5 minutes and press 3 buttons! And that's the only invite you'll ever get with a necro. And as we know IWAY teams are dumbs as anyone with life bonds and a few traps totally owns one. So if you are necro and you play with pugs, you are pretty much limited to playing 2 types of character on 1 type of team. God forbid I bring Martyr to counter all trap/ViM teams or NR or Ignorance to counter Life Bonders. "OMG U DUNT HAVE VAMPIRE ORDERZ NOOB"

And if I say "Spike assist necro/healing reduction lfg" everyone just ignores me.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO that kind of balance.

What? No...just....no
As has just been mentioned there are a lot of single minded people in this game who care about rank and dont know anything they read out of the gimmick textbook. When i said balance i wasnt even talking about class selection balance, i was talking about strat balance, and how there isnt one that is overlyingly more powerful than the others.

As for your grief, there are several roles for necros which you can happily fill but you just plain dont want to do them. Frankly, thats not anyone else fault, their offering you a game and your turning them down - why? Because lolz its iway? Thats scrubby to be honest.

In an entire team of warriors....what the hell else are you going to do? Shutdown ftw?. No. Warriors dont need healing reduction, if they get an orders necro their dps goes into 4 figures at times. The life stealing is not to be passed up either, a man with cyclone axe on the dais can full hp himself every 4 seconds. Warriors need their orders, so necros give it to them... if you dont want to do it, why the hell are you hanging around being invited to pugs, which you know want orders, playing ne/mo, the stereotyped order necro class and then getting pissed off when they ask for orders. To that i say :/

Whatsmore, youve completely ignored FoC spikers, which are still good, so why not play one of them?

The reason everyone ignores you is because frankly there are many builds that are

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"Spike assist necro/healing reduction lfg"

And they mainly suck. Whatsmore, they are very group specific builds. So again, if thats what you want to play, your frankly being silly for standing around trying to find a pug wholl want you, besides one of those random euro pugs that just gets 8 people and goes, and im sure thats not what you want to play.

Whatsmore, most people dont even know what that is.... shockingly, they cant read your mind, and thats why gimmick templates are so great. It allows people to not piss about for ages and have a game. Therefore you holding up the process of these people simply wanting to have fun with your crazy builds is a waste of their time.

I remember during air spike having to literally go through the skill bar of everyone in the team to get it right, and most of them still were shit because they were arrogant and didnt listen, with their mending ftw. IWAY and other gimicks are good since they require no effort. If you want to play that necro, get guild mates/friends who appreciate your 'ub4h sk1llz', and stop wasting everyone else time.

Spura · Nov 05, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by rii

What? No...just....no
As has just been mentioned there are a lot of single minded people in this game who care about rank and dont know anything they read out of the gimmick textbook. When i said balance i wasnt even talking about class selection balance, i was talking about strat balance, and how there isnt one that is overlyingly more powerful than the others.

As for your grief, there are several roles for necros which you can happily fill but you just plain dont want to do them. Frankly, thats not anyone else fault, their offering you a game and your turning them down - why? Because lolz its iway? Thats scrubby to be honest.

Why shouldn't I turn down playing in a team I don't enjoy playing? I'm rather scrubby than bored.

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Originally Posted by rii

In an entire team of warriors....what the hell else are you going to do? Shutdown ftw?. No. Warriors dont need healing reduction, if they get an orders necro their dps goes into 4 figures at times. The life stealing is not to be passed up either, a man with cyclone axe on the dais can full hp himself every 4 seconds. Warriors need their orders, so necros give it to them... if you dont want to do it, why the hell are you hanging around being invited to pugs, which you know want orders, playing ne/mo, the stereotyped order necro class and then getting pissed off when they ask for orders. To that i say :/

Of course you are going to do orders in a team full of warriors, that's why I am searching for a team that is not full of warriors, but rather like full of ele spikers. Besides I actually had order of pain, just not order of vampire. And even though they got pissed at me for not having order of vampire, martyr saved our butts more than once when we ran against teams with multiple trappers. Since 3 trappers + ViM mean that anyone with ViM on their team will heal fully and get like 40+ energy every 15 sec while reducing hit chance to 10%, I think martyr far exceeds the vampric order in usefulness. Kthx.

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Originally Posted by rii

Whatsmore, youve completely ignored FoC spikers, which are still good, so why not play one of them?

I've yet to find invite as one.

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Originally Posted by rii

And they mainly suck. Whatsmore, they are very group specific builds. So again, if thats what you want to play, your frankly being silly for standing around trying to find a pug wholl want you, besides one of those random euro pugs that just gets 8 people and goes, and im sure thats not what you want to play.

I wouldn't call them group specific. Basically any spike group benefits greatly. I actually got a nice group once and we had some fine winning streaks, with 2 elementalist and 2 warriors. I think that me removing protective spirit and aegis and reducing healing played no small part in that.

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Originally Posted by rii

I remember during air spike having to literally go through the skill bar of everyone in the team to get it right, and most of them still were shit because they were arrogant and didnt listen, with their mending ftw. IWAY and other gimicks are good since they require no effort. If you want to play that necro, get guild mates/friends who appreciate your 'ub4h sk1llz', and stop wasting everyone else time.

I won't play with guild, because they insist on running gvg builds in tombs + they stick me into warrior role. 0 warrior counter counters ftw. Losing 75%+ is not fun for me.

rii · Nov 05, 2005, 12:35 PM // 12:35

The point remains its not there are no teams, its you not wanting to play it. If you dont enjoy it fair enough, i think your more or less stuck making your own team... back to the oroginal point there is no lack of balance here.

If i was running a 'smart' iway, i could go 5 w/r, 1 wa/mo with martyr, 1 ne/mo with orders, 1 n/e with tainted. Well, it would actually be a bit different but the point is you can sacrifice a warrior for martyr, and keep ootv, since frankly, you need both. iway has a 45 second duration so 5 pets is enough, and then you own trappers and have ootv. But, i repeat, you need ootv either way. You dont need to take it for it to work. If they dont listen, stop playing tombs... its full of idiots and thats why i generally dont bother. Being frustrated at idiots only leads to high blood pressure.

They are group specific to spikers, so its not that specific, but its specific enough. FoC and Ele spike are rare, but there are often people spamming 'foc spiker lfg' where i go, so why not start your own group?

Well, i cant do anything about your guild, thats not my problem.

The point remains, your initial post seemed to put the idea across that you were looking for a place in gimmick builds where you were running a build that was not part of the gimmick:

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OMG U DUNT HAVE VAMPIRE ORDERZ NOOB"

If your running iway tell one of them to change and take martyr, it wont hit your efficiency that badly, but repeat repeat your not going to get that many groups without ootv, iway especaially, since its that dam good.

Lews · Nov 05, 2005, 08:31 PM // 20:31

martyr/tainted doesn't mean both. It means choose which one you want.

And Yeah, as a matter of fact, I have won and held Halls with this, for about 10 rounds. I've also kicked guilds such as sB out of HoH.

The one guild that doesn't die though is iQ :P We always end up battling for a few minutes until an EoE bomb kills us. =/

dansamy · Nov 05, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

iQ is always a pain in the ass to go against. Dammit, they're good players. They always come well-prepared. Most of the time I quit trying to kill them and just watch.